GR don't blow this opportunity

[stemdynasty]

I want GR to support ACT shareholders this morning, and explain TO THE MEDIA that we will soon be reporting our trial results, and Geron did not fail, they just chose a treatment that was too complex for a trial where investors expect results sooner than 10 years. To the contrary, our strategic choice to choose the lowest hanging fruit has shown us results in 6 weeks which will be reported in the coming weeks, not years away. If the results are huge and we have the patients there he is advertsing to the media right now, and they will be there in droves. What an opportunity to have the media focus soley on our progress. Investors would cheer.

[stockfodder]

On my schwab account there is a Reuters article, when you go outside and find the same article, this quote by Lanza is missing. Stem cell research: win some, lose some - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Finance
However on the Schwab version here it is!

Robert Lanza, chief scientific officer of ACT, is not giving up hope on the embryonic front but said Geron's exit put more pressure on his firm to succeed.

"Of course, it's the second mouse that often gets the cheese," he said.

[stemdynasty]

I want the investing public to know why we chose the eye. Why is Rabin sitting on his hands? He commented on the EU patent ruling and he made the case we would prosper as a result. Here again, he has another opportunity to capitalize. He is blowing a chance for his options to be worth something as well. Where is the support from our CEO. Unless he is in China???????

[JHam]

I want the investing public to know why we chose the eye. Why is Rabin sitting on his hands? He commented on the EU patent ruling and he made the case we would prosper as a result. Here again, he has another opportunity to capitalize. He is blowing a chance for his options to be worth something as well. Where is the support from our CEO. Unless he is in China???????

Perhaps Gary does not see things exactly the same way you do? Maybe ACT will PR or maybe they won't. Respectfully, why do you do this every time YOU think ACT should PR something?

[stemdynasty]

Because when he does everyone wins except those that are hoping for lower prices. It's about clarifying a situation that could be costly if it is left unchecked, because you and I know this entire area of science is consistently lead by news from reporters that have no idea what they are talking about. I don't want us lumped in with the design flaws of Geron. When Rabin did respond it was very effective.

[JHam]

I should clarify. I am not saying Gary should or shouldn't do a PR. It would be nice if he did. I am referring to the "Why is Gary sitting on his hands?" comment and overall restlessness. You did this last time, assuming that Gary was doing nothing and that he dropped the ball etc...and wallah, a there was the PR!

Maybe Gary just finished a meeting with the new CFO and is with his people as we speak right now drafting up a PR. Just sayin...

[stemdynasty]

Because if he responded from an offense last night when Geron dropped the bomb he wouldn't need to be on the defense. I can understand why you personally don't care, because you explained your position here, the last thing we need is negativity just as we were making headway after all the postive news out of the cc. I'm just sayin'. I am not attacking your character, but you are questioning me, and you know damn well I have not sold and there is alot at stake for all of here. You don't need to question why, you know why I am eager to hear a response. JMHO

[JHam]

Because if he responded from an offense last night when Geron dropped the bomb he wouldn't need to be on the defense. I can understand why you personally don't care, because you explained your position here, the last thing we need is negativity just as we were making headway after all the postive news out of the cc. I'm just sayin'. I am not attacking your character, but you are questioning me, and you know damn well I have not sold and there is alot at stake for all of here. You don't need to question why, you know why I am eager to hear a response. JMHO

I am not really sure what you are talking about. I am not questioning, I am making a statement. Whenever Gary doesn't responded immediately to a certain issue that YOU find important, you go on the Gary/Russo attack. I can show lots of examples where you have done this in the past. ACT probably will make a PR about this. However, just because it doesn't come out on your timeline doesn't mean that Gary is "sitting on his hands" or "blowing a chance" etc...That is all I am saying.

Why bring eigenman into this? This has nothing to do with him or being negative. The funny thing is, I think it could be argued that you are the one bringing the negativity hollering at Gary over this..

Obviously you misunderstood my position. What makes you think I don't care? Not sure where you got that from. I care about ACT and its science as much as anyone. That is why I make an attempt to learn about all aspects of the company, and not pretend the ugly stuff doesn't exist.

Anyway, this is my last response in this thread. I said what I came to say and am not interested in arguing.

[Gizmo]

We just got the news about Geron yesterday. I don't expect that Gary Rabin would be issuing any significant response just yet. He needs to confer with others within the company, is probably talking to Langer, has to do his due diligence. It's in our best interest for him to come out with a thoughtful, well-considered reaction to the Geron news, and I expect we'll hear something before the week ends.

[SKIPBALL]

Obviously Rabin and his management team...much closer than any of us will ever be to the real and current situation at ACT...deems PR untimely or inappropriate at this time. Seems to me that Rabin has many more important matters to consider now. I say "let him do his job and quit the knit-picking"!

[stemdynasty]

Ok, I'm not allowed to say what others are thinking? You can close this thread, unless JHam, the new "voice of reason", feels he must get the last word in. It would have been more respectful to say you disagree and leave it that then to say I am wrong for speaking what's on my mind, and point to other concerning times when I asked and he did respond, and we all were better off because he did. JMHO

[msemporda]

Adding to the thread - my opinion regarding making an official PR statement
on a sector colleague/competitor is inappropriate. Here's why IMO:

- To point out GERON's failing in this manner and by default ACTC's prowess
would be distasteful to the scientific community.

- It wouldn't solve anything as we haven't released any data proving our
approach is better.

- Seems Dr. Lanza is already fielding reporter questions on the topic in
editorial pieces and has provided some comments so doing anything more would
only alienate a potential scientific ally and possible source of valuable
assets that ACTC perhaps would like to take on in some deal down the road.

So - without annoying anyone - I would prefer we focus on our own numerous
issues and publish PR's related to them asap.

Br

[TORCH]

Stem,

I follow what your are saying and agree with some others on staying quite as a company. I don't think that clarifying that a tragic situation has happened in Genron not moving forward with their trials is "distastful". I think you can address the community in such a way that allows "GLOWING" support of Genron while also singing the virtues of ACTC. GR could simply explain that the road really starts to narrow the closer you get to the finish line and we as a company although "close" have faced many hurdles but still fight on for another day.

It does not have to be all or one but I agree with Stem on a general approach to this as oppossed to bashing him for his views.

Torch

[Junior]

IMO GR issuing a PR is not that important. If he did great. In my mind what rally matters are getting the media PR about trial results
done ASAP, getting a JV with up front capital done ASAP, completing the so called global solution done ASAP. Those are the big fish to fry. These little blips in the pps coming from extraneous event are just noise - they don't matter in the long run.

Attachment - validation - efficacy is what matters to me at this point in time. If it can be done with quality and speed great. I never have a problem with a person speaking their mind as long as they stay in the TOS.

Junior

[SKIPBALL]

Ok, I'm not allowed to say what others are thinking? You can close this thread, unless JHam, the new "voice of reason", feels he must get the last word in. It would have been more respectful to say you disagree and leave it that then to say I am wrong for speaking what's on my mind, and point to other concerning times when I asked and he did respond, and we all were better off because he did. JMHO

I don't recall anyone saying that you "are not allowed to say what others are thinking." Anyway...how do you know what others are thinking? Your comments that "you can close the thread" and your snide reference to JHam as the "new voice of reason" reflects a childish sensitivity (IMO)

[TORCH]

One more thing here: People in my mind abuse the acronym PR...Way to much. GR speaking out on the tough going of the industry is not PR persay. In my mind it would show leadership qualities that any top level company would want to have.

a quote that I love:

"When the Nazis came for the communist,
I remained silent; I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionist;
I did not speak out. I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews;
I did not speak out; I was not a Jew.

When they came for me;
There was no one left to speak"



Torch

[msemporda]

My issue with the PR concept was that it was suggested it should be stated clearly that it be
used as a means to present GERON's failings in the design of the trial and the superior design
of ours - hence the reply and posting.

Any official or editorial comments made by mgt. about the decision by GERON would be appropriate
IMO as long as it isn't rubbing further humiliation into the faces of colleagues in the field -
obviously we have won by merely being the only player left standing and soon will prove to the
world that our approach was superior.

I believe Dr. Lanza does represent the company and especially with regard to the science and
therefore his comments to me are sufficient enough - let Rabin focus on his job of getting the
issues we all are concerned about closed for announcement sooner rather than later.

With respect

[Capt_Smith77]

"Of course, it's the second mouse that often gets the cheese," he said.

I'm thinking more down the lines of the second mouse opening up the first real cheese factory.

[twenty2]

I'm thinking more down the lines of the second mouse opening up the first real cheese factory.

Now You're Talking, Captain!
You Said A Mouthful!!!

twenty2

[Capt_Smith77]

Couple of points.

First, I wouldn't think it wise to bring up somebody's name that's no longer a part of ICELL, especially if they've been banned for whatever reason that might be. This also protects them, as people bring up their name and they're unable to defend themselves or share their point of view. This also needs to be the case for those that have been short term banned.

Secondly, I believe that it would be fruitless for Gary to waste $$$ on hastily putting out a press release trying to defend ACT. He would be wise to beat the drum on ACT's single cell blastomere program, RPE cells and their ability to create purified lines of cells in the next upcoming news event.

In the coming weeks, he should have the perfect opportunity, if not more than once, to push the message across with both the media and the public as additional patients are to be added to the trials, or when that all important Chinese JV he spoke about is officially announced. It should also be yet another opportunity to drive home the fact about the top notch scientific team that ACT has put together being the world leaders in heSC related therapies coming to a clinic near you.