Who Does This Sound Like?

[pm1469]

Is this administration NOT advertising to people to sign up for food stamps, not have to work to be on Welfare? Extending Unemployment ridiculously long? See red below? WOW!


The strategy
Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would “deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas.”[3] They wrote:

“The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.[3] ”

Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy."[4]

Focus on Democrats

The authors pinned their hopes on creating disruption within the Democratic Party. "Conservative Republicans are always ready to declaim the evils of public welfare, and they would probably be the first to raise a hue and cry. But deeper and politically more telling conflicts would take place within the Democratic coalition," they wrote. "Whites – both working class ethnic groups and many in the middle class – would be aroused against the ghetto poor, while liberal groups, which until recently have been comforted by the notion that the poor are few... would probably support the movement. Group conflict, spelling political crisis for the local party apparatus, would thus become acute as welfare rolls mounted and the strains on local budgets became more severe.”[5]

Reception and criticism

Howard Phillips, chairman of The Conservative Caucus, was quoted in 1982 as saying that the strategy could be effective because "Great Society programs had created a vast army of full-time liberal activists whose salaries are paid from the taxes of conservative working people."[6]

Left-wing commentator Michael Tomasky, writing about the strategy in the 1990s and again in 2011, called it "wrongheaded and self-defeating", writing: "It apparently didn't occur to [Cloward and Piven] that the system would just regard rabble-rousing black people as a phenomenon to be ignored or quashed."[7]

Impact of the strategyCloward and Piven themselves, in papers published in 1971 and 1977, argued that mass unrest in the United States, especially between 1964 and 1969, did lead to a massive expansion of welfare rolls, though not to the guaranteed-income program that they had hoped for.[8] Political scientist Robert Albritton disagreed, writing in 1979 that the data did not support this thesis; he offered an alternative explanation for the rise in welfare caseloads.

In his 2006 book Winning the Race, political commentator John McWhorter attributed the rise in the welfare state after the 1960s to the Cloward–Piven strategy, but wrote about it negatively, stating that the strategy "created generations of black people for whom working for a living is an abstraction."[9]

According to historian Robert E. Weir in 2007, "Although the strategy helped to boost recipient numbers between 1966 and 1975, the revolution its proponents envisioned never transpired."[10]

Some commentators have blamed the Cloward–Piven strategy for the near-bankruptcy of New York City in 1975.[11][12]

Conservative commentator Glenn Beck referred to the Cloward-Piven Strategy often on his Fox News television show, Glenn Beck, during its run from 2009 to 2011, reiterating his opinion that it had helped to inspire President Barack Obama's economic policy. On February 18, 2010, for example, Beck said, "you’ve got total destruction of wealth coming... It’s the final phase of the Cloward-Piven strategy, which is collapse the system."[13

[flipper]

pm1469,
Excellent post!!!!! The best way to fight poverty is thru creating jobs, jobs, jobs,jobs, jobs, that will reduce the dependency on welfare.

[Joseph Exline]

pm1469,
Excellent post!!!!! The best way to fight poverty is thru creating jobs, jobs, jobs,jobs, jobs, that will reduce the dependency on welfare.

Do not forget that there are many who deem work as unworthy of their time.
Some have been without self respect,ambition,initiative,wearwithall,responsibi lity,accountability for so long that they're just fine right where they are at.
All the other qualities I just mentioned are intrusions and obstacles to many and they're daily routine.
I am of the opinion that to truly fix the system you MAY have to let it fail,deal with the civil unrest,overhaul the political system,survive and start all over. Something that will be just short of a 2 nd Civil War.
The government will take from everyone except the recipients as long as they can.They fear the recipients will turn to crime and other means of acquiring what is needed and not earned. Well other means of crime,more violent crimes,not the daily "responsible for oneself" fraud many carry out daily now.I mean at least its non violent right?
I for one look forward to the day someone comes into my home looking for what is mine because they won't do what is right for themselves.Th way I see it is ,its going to happen at least once in a lifetime to everyone.You should be prepared.Mentally,physically and otherwise.Send a message and a package.Two birds,one stone.

[Vzveteran]

The best way to fight poverty is thru creating jobs, jobs, jobs,jobs, jobs, that will reduce the dependency on welfare.

Too late. President Obama removed the provision that would help those on welfare find a job. Removed All incentive to work, with a stroke of a pen. It's good to be King of America.

[telecaster]

Too late. President Obama removed the provision that would help those on welfare find a job. Removed All incentive to work, with a stroke of a pen. It's good to be King of America.

Simply not true.

For Fox's Kelly, The Truth About Welfare Reform Is Not Worth A Lot | Blog | Media Matters for America

[dave10]

[QUOTE=telecaster;115596]Simply not true.

For Fox's Kelly, The Truth About Welfare Reform Is Not Worth A Lot | Blog | Media Matters for America[/QUOTE

If it comes from Media Matters , then it must be true.. A completely unbiased organization... LOL...

[atomicpunk]

Simply not true.

For Fox's Kelly, The Truth About Welfare Reform Is Not Worth A Lot | Blog | Media Matters for America

The truth doesnt matter to those bigots over at fuks news or those who eat up the poison they spew out.

Definition of BIGOTRY

1: the state of mind of a bigot
2: acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot

Examples of BIGOTRY

<a deeply ingrained bigotry prevented her from even considering the counterarguments>

[Vzveteran]

Media matters millions from george soros and donates 2mm to Obama campaign, Petrobras Brazilian Oil Company owned by George Soros, Obama tells Brazilian Leaders "America will be your best customer for Oil" Moratorium on Gulf drilling sent all Oil rigs to guess where? Brazil and George Soros! I wish it was as easy to connect the dots for actc!

[Vzveteran]

The truth doesnt matter to those bigots over at fuks news or those who eat up the poison they spew out.

Definition of BIGOTRY

1: the state of mind of a bigot
2: acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot

Examples of BIGOTRY

<a deeply ingrained bigotry prevented her from even considering the counterarguments>

I Disagree with the current administration's economic policy, therefore it's only natural that I am a bigot.

Btw liberals can't be bigots right? Pseudo intellectuals assuming moral superiority, preventing them "from even considering the counterarguments"